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Tar-Elenion
2006-01-12 00:16:05 UTC
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"The Numenorean ranga was slightly longer than our yard, approximately
thirty-eight inches".

"Thus two rangar was often called "man-high,"".

"Elendil was said to be "more than man-high by nearly half a ranga;" but
he was accounted the tallest of all the Numenoreans who escape the
Downfall [and was indeed generally known as Elendil the Tall]."

Quotes from Numenorean Linear Measures (NLM) appended to Disaster of the
Gladden Fields in UT.

38" + 38" + 19" = 95" = 7'11"

"Hobbits on the other hand were in nearly all respects normal Men, but
of very short stature. They were called 'halflings'; but this refers to
the normal height of men of Numenorean descent and of the Eldar
(especially those of Noldorin descent), which appears to have been about
seven of our feet."
Dwarves and Men, PoME

"The Numenoreans were a people of great stature... Their full grown men
were often seven feet tall."
1969 note quoted in A Reader's Companion (page 4)

"Aragorn a direct descendant of Elendil and his son Isildur, both of
whom had been seven feet tall, must nonetheless have been a very tall
man (with a great stride), probably at least 6 ft. 6, and Boromir, of
high Numenorean lineage, not much shorter (say 6 ft. 4)".
1969 note quoted in A Reader's Companion (page 272)
(If Mr. Hammond reads this: is this note I quoted from and that on page
4 all part of the same manuscript?)

"Eomer was said to have been tall, of like height with Aragorn;", due to
his descent from Morwen who was herself of high Numenorean descent.
See NLM

However, for Elendil, this note published in A Reader's Companion does
not really account for him being called 'the Tall', since male
Numenoreans (and Noldorin Eldar) were about 7' tall.

Since Aragorn was "probably at least" 6'6" per this note, meaning he
could well be taller, if so would this make Boromir taller? Should this
6'4" be taken as an "at least" as well?
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Tar-Elenion

He is a warrior, and a spirit of wrath. In every
stroke that he deals he sees the Enemy who long
ago did thee this hurt.
Kristian Damm Jensen
2006-01-12 20:43:10 UTC
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Post by Tar-Elenion
"The Numenorean ranga was slightly longer than our yard, approximately
thirty-eight inches".
"Thus two rangar was often called "man-high,"".
"Elendil was said to be "more than man-high by nearly half a ranga;"
*nearly* half a ranga.
Post by Tar-Elenion
but he was accounted the tallest of all the Numenoreans who escape the
Downfall [and was indeed generally known as Elendil the Tall]."
Quotes from Numenorean Linear Measures (NLM) appended to Disaster of
the Gladden Fields in UT.
38" + 38" + 19" = 95" = 7'11"
Call it 7'10" if we take into account the "nearly". It is still close to a
full 8'.

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Post by Tar-Elenion
"The Numenoreans were a people of great stature... Their full grown
men were often seven feet tall."
1969 note quoted in A Reader's Companion (page 4)
"Aragorn a direct descendant of Elendil and his son Isildur, both of
whom had been seven feet tall,
Contradicting your calculations above. I believe in your calculations,
however.
Post by Tar-Elenion
must nonetheless have been a very tall
man (with a great stride), probably at least 6 ft. 6, and Boromir, of
high Numenorean lineage, not much shorter (say 6 ft. 4)".
1969 note quoted in A Reader's Companion (page 272)
(If Mr. Hammond reads this: is this note I quoted from and that on
page 4 all part of the same manuscript?)
"Eomer was said to have been tall, of like height with Aragorn;", due
to his descent from Morwen who was herself of high Numenorean descent.
See NLM
However, for Elendil, this note published in A Reader's Companion does
not really account for him being called 'the Tall', since male
Numenoreans (and Noldorin Eldar) were about 7' tall.
When I encounter someone who is almost a foot higher that me, I consider
them tall. (I'm 6'1" myself.)
Post by Tar-Elenion
Since Aragorn was "probably at least" 6'6" per this note, meaning he
could well be taller, if so would this make Boromir taller? Should
this 6'4" be taken as an "at least" as well?
Probably. The quote indicates that 6'4" is found by subtraction from 6'6"
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Kristian Damm Jensen
Tar-Elenion
2006-01-12 22:10:02 UTC
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Post by Tar-Elenion
"The Numenorean ranga was slightly longer than our yard, approximately
thirty-eight inches".
"Thus two rangar was often called "man-high,"".
"Elendil was said to be "more than man-high by nearly half a ranga;"
*nearly* half a ranga.
Post by Tar-Elenion
but he was accounted the tallest of all the Numenoreans who escape the
Downfall [and was indeed generally known as Elendil the Tall]."
Quotes from Numenorean Linear Measures (NLM) appended to Disaster of
the Gladden Fields in UT.
38" + 38" + 19" = 95" = 7'11"
Call it 7'10" if we take into account the "nearly". It is still close to a
full 8'.
Good point, although the "approximately thirty-eight inches" for a ranga
could be 38.5 still putting him clser to 7'11" (or 37.5 making it less).
;)

Still, good point.
Post by Kristian Damm Jensen
<snip>
Post by Tar-Elenion
"The Numenoreans were a people of great stature... Their full grown
men were often seven feet tall."
1969 note quoted in A Reader's Companion (page 4)
"Aragorn a direct descendant of Elendil and his son Isildur, both of
whom had been seven feet tall,
Contradicting your calculations above. I believe in your calculations,
however.
Post by Tar-Elenion
must nonetheless have been a very tall
man (with a great stride), probably at least 6 ft. 6, and Boromir, of
high Numenorean lineage, not much shorter (say 6 ft. 4)".
1969 note quoted in A Reader's Companion (page 272)
(If Mr. Hammond reads this: is this note I quoted from and that on
page 4 all part of the same manuscript?)
"Eomer was said to have been tall, of like height with Aragorn;", due
to his descent from Morwen who was herself of high Numenorean descent.
See NLM
However, for Elendil, this note published in A Reader's Companion does
not really account for him being called 'the Tall', since male
Numenoreans (and Noldorin Eldar) were about 7' tall.
When I encounter someone who is almost a foot higher that me, I consider
them tall. (I'm 6'1" myself.)
Elendil the Tall was tallest among the post-Downfall Numenoreans, and
(unless one were to suppose that only short Numenoreans escaped) he was
considered tall by Numenoreans who often came in at 7', thus indicating
that the 7'10" (or there about) calculation from NLM is more accurate
than the note published in /A Reader's Companion/ which has Elendil
seven feet tall.
(I think this is what you are saying as well?)
Post by Kristian Damm Jensen
Post by Tar-Elenion
Since Aragorn was "probably at least" 6'6" per this note, meaning he
could well be taller, if so would this make Boromir taller? Should
this 6'4" be taken as an "at least" as well?
Probably. The quote indicates that 6'4" is found by subtraction from 6'6"
--
Tar-Elenion

He is a warrior, and a spirit of wrath. In every
stroke that he deals he sees the Enemy who long
ago did thee this hurt.
Odysseus
2006-01-13 09:08:11 UTC
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Post by Kristian Damm Jensen
Post by Tar-Elenion
"The Numenorean ranga was slightly longer than our yard, approximately
thirty-eight inches".
"Thus two rangar was often called "man-high,"".
"Elendil was said to be "more than man-high by nearly half a ranga;"
*nearly* half a ranga.
Post by Tar-Elenion
38" + 38" + 19" = 95" = 7'11"
Call it 7'10" if we take into account the "nearly". It is still close to a
full 8'.
Good point, although the "approximately thirty-eight inches" for a ranga
could be 38.5 still putting him clser to 7'11" (or 37.5 making it less).
;)
Still, good point.
As I would interpret the data, a conservative estimate for Elendil's
height might be 2.4 * 37.5" ~= 7'6"; a generous one 2.49 * 38.5" ~=
8'0". Again taking the figures given at face value, "man-high" is
between 6'3" and 6'5".

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Post by Tar-Elenion
Post by Kristian Damm Jensen
Post by Tar-Elenion
[Aragorn] must nonetheless have been a very tall
man (with a great stride), probably at least 6 ft. 6, and Boromir, of
high Numenorean lineage, not much shorter (say 6 ft. 4)".
<snip>> >
Post by Tar-Elenion
Post by Kristian Damm Jensen
Post by Tar-Elenion
Since Aragorn was "probably at least" 6'6" per this note, meaning he
could well be taller, if so would this make Boromir taller? Should
this 6'4" be taken as an "at least" as well?
Probably. The quote indicates that 6'4" is found by subtraction from 6'6"
I agree.
--
Odysseus
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