Orcs of New York

[Bill O'Meally]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/orcs-of-new-york-is-the-hony-parody-that-sauron-would-adore_55f30c0de4b063ecbfa41e68

[Steve Hayes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:19:02 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/orcs-of-new-york-is-the-hony-parody-that-sauron-would-adore_55f30c0de4b063ecbfa41e68

http://www.khanya.org.za/peeves.htm

[Bill O'Meally]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:19:02 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/orcs-of-new-york-is-the-hony-parody-that-sauron-would-adore_55f30c0de4b063ecbfa41e68

http://www.khanya.org.za/peeves.htm

So sorry you did not appreciate the post Steve. I enjoyed the article
and I think others would as well.

[Steve Hayes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:05:08 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally

Post by Steve Hayes
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:19:02 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/orcs-of-new-york-is-the-hony-parody-that-sauron-would-adore_55f30c0de4b063ecbfa41e68

http://www.khanya.org.za/peeves.htm

So sorry you did not appreciate the post Steve. I enjoyed the article
and I think others would as well.

URL-only posts are usually spam. If yours was not spam, my apologies,
but a few lines of explanation might have helped.

[Bill O'Meally]

Post by Steve Hayes
URL-only posts are usually spam. If yours was not spam, my apologies,
but a few lines of explanation might have helped.

Steve. I've been posting to this group for 15 years. It is hardly
likely I'd post spam.

Perhaps the irony escapes you, but you replied to my url-only post with
a url-only post.

[Steve Hayes]

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 09:19:20 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally

Post by Steve Hayes
URL-only posts are usually spam. If yours was not spam, my apologies,
but a few lines of explanation might have helped.

Steve. I've been posting to this group for 15 years. It is hardly
likely I'd post spam.
Perhaps the irony escapes you, but you replied to my url-only post with
a url-only post.

Then obviously the irony escaped you.

If people post messages in English, I reply in English; if they post
in URL, I reply in the same language. That's what they want, isn't it?

[Wayne Brown]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:05:08 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally

Post by Steve Hayes
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:19:02 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/orcs-of-new-york-is-the-hony-parody-that-sauron-would-adore_55f30c0de4b063ecbfa41e68

http://www.khanya.org.za/peeves.htm

So sorry you did not appreciate the post Steve. I enjoyed the article
and I think others would as well.

URL-only posts are usually spam. If yours was not spam, my apologies,
but a few lines of explanation might have helped.

I also usually ignore links that are posted without explanation,
regardless of who posts them. In my case it's not due to the
likelihood of it being spam but because (a) USENET is a text medium
and I don't like having to go to the Web to get information, and (b)
I read USENET news over a slow communications link with a text-only
newsreader. It works fine for text, but not so well for graphics.
To follow a URL link I have to fire up a browser over that same
slow link and copy-and-paste the URL from the newsreader into the
browser. If the Web page includes animated graphics or other silly
bandwidth-wasting features it can easily take me ten minutes just to
start the browser and load the page, only to find that it's something
in which I have no interest. So I generally don't look at a link
unless I already have a pretty good idea of what I'll find there.
(Sometimes I'll save the link and look it up later when I'm using
a high-speed connection but I seldom bother or even remember to
do that.)

[Paul S. Person]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:05:08 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally

Post by Steve Hayes
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:19:02 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/orcs-of-new-york-is-the-hony-parody-that-sauron-would-adore_55f30c0de4b063ecbfa41e68

http://www.khanya.org.za/peeves.htm

So sorry you did not appreciate the post Steve. I enjoyed the article
and I think others would as well.

I found it amusing, but a bit ... obvious.

So, FWIW, posting it was fine with me. Although a brief note (even
just a repeat of the Subject) might have been useful to some.

I may have been negatively influenced by the fact that these were the
Orcs of PJ & accomplices, not of JRRT -- who, by this time, would look
very much like the rest of us and be distinguishable only by their
culture.

The culture in /Gone, Baby, Gone/, for example. (Just typing the
/title/ of that film makes me want to take a shower immediately.)

As opposed to that in /Winter's Bone/ which, however similar, was a
culture of Men, not Orcs.

[oinkster]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:05:08 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally

Post by Steve Hayes
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:19:02 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/orcs-of-new-york-is-the-hony-parody-that-sauron-would-adore_55f30c0de4b063ecbfa41e68

http://www.khanya.org.za/peeves.htm

So sorry you did not appreciate the post Steve. I enjoyed the article
and I think others would as well.

I found it amusing, but a bit ... obvious.
So, FWIW, posting it was fine with me. Although a brief note (even
just a repeat of the Subject) might have been useful to some.
I may have been negatively influenced by the fact that these were the
Orcs of PJ & accomplices, not of JRRT -- who, by this time, would look
very much like the rest of us and be distinguishable only by their
culture.
The culture in /Gone, Baby, Gone/, for example. (Just typing the
/title/ of that film makes me want to take a shower immediately.)
As opposed to that in /Winter's Bone/ which, however similar, was a
culture of Men, not Orcs.
--
"Nature must be explained in
her own terms through
the experience of our senses."

I thought it was good

[Bill O'Meally]

Post by Paul S. Person
I found it amusing, but a bit ... obvious.

Amusing. Silly. That's pretty much all I got out of it.

Post by Paul S. Person
So, FWIW, posting it was fine with me. Although a brief note (even
just a repeat of the Subject) might have been useful to some.

Though, even spammers will often add some lines of text to make their
post seem legit...

Post by Paul S. Person
I may have been negatively influenced by the fact that these were the
Orcs of PJ & accomplices, not of JRRT -- who, by this time, would look
very much like the rest of us and be distinguishable only by their
culture.

Interesting thought, assuming there would be interbreeding with humans.

Though the charcters appear similar to those in the movies, I don't get
the impression that this is solely a PJ thing. For instance, I know
there is an Orc called Snaga in the movies, but I don't think the it is
meant to be anything more than a name (though I admittedly haven't seen
the movies for quite a few years). From the books we know that "snaga"
is Black Speech for "slave". At least one of the posters clearly had
some knowledge of Tolkien (rather than PJ) when he said he came from a
family of snaga.

[Paul S. Person]

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:04:45 -0400, Bill O'Meally

Post by Bill O'Meally

Post by Paul S. Person
I may have been negatively influenced by the fact that these were the
Orcs of PJ & accomplices, not of JRRT -- who, by this time, would look
very much like the rest of us and be distinguishable only by their
culture.

Interesting thought, assuming there would be interbreeding with humans.

As it happens, I am no rereading HOME XII, and in at least the early
versions of the Prologue or the Introduction, JRRT clearly states that
Orcs exist today and are, in fact, responsible for all mechanical
inventions.

Particularly the mechanical inventions he viewed as destroying the
countryside.

Post by Bill O'Meally
Though the charcters appear similar to those in the movies, I don't get
the impression that this is solely a PJ thing. For instance, I know
there is an Orc called Snaga in the movies, but I don't think the it is
meant to be anything more than a name (though I admittedly haven't seen
the movies for quite a few years). From the books we know that "snaga"
is Black Speech for "slave". At least one of the posters clearly had
some knowledge of Tolkien (rather than PJ) when he said he came from a
family of snaga.

That's fine for the poster, but the Orc is still a movie-Orc, not a
book-Orc. A book-Orc would basically look like a stereotype of a
Mongol -- and not just any Mongol, but one of the Mongols who
terrorized Europe in the far past but left a lasting impression.

Or rather, their modern descendants, who may indeed be the result of
interbreeding with Men.

It's been a long time since I read /LOTR/ (I will be getting to it:
after HOME XII I plan to read S, UT, TH, ATB, and LOTR), but I do
believe that one of Men in Bree was said to "look Orcish". A Man with
one of PJ & accomplice's Orcs as a parent and a Man as the other would
clearly /be/ Orcish -- there would be no doubt at all. OTOH, a child
of a Mongol (even one who resembled the stereotype which, of course, a
few no doubt do, if only by chance) and a Northern Europeon might look
mostly European, producing some doubt in the matter.

[Taemon]

Post by Paul S. Person
That's fine for the poster, but the Orc is still a movie-Orc, not a
book-Orc. A book-Orc would basically look like a stereotype of a
Mongol -- and not just any Mongol, but one of the Mongols who
terrorized Europe in the far past but left a lasting impression.

I hope you're not proposing posting pictures of Mongol people with the
header "Orcs".

[Paul S. Person]

Post by Taemon

Post by Paul S. Person
That's fine for the poster, but the Orc is still a movie-Orc, not a
book-Orc. A book-Orc would basically look like a stereotype of a
Mongol -- and not just any Mongol, but one of the Mongols who
terrorized Europe in the far past but left a lasting impression.

I hope you're not proposing posting pictures of Mongol people with the
header "Orcs".

Not at all.

The characters from /Gone, Baby, Gone/, OTOH, would be an excellent
choice!