Amazon and Middle-Earth Series

[~consul]

Besides the appendixes, do you learned folks feel that are enough
things in-between the lines to fill an on-going series?
Something set within the lands of Middle-Earth but not touching the
main characters? I always wondered if we would get some good stories
of what the other races were doing while the A-team was doing their thing.

Are there storylines worth exploring, sort of like how in Rogue One
they used the large text crawl from Episode 4 as a basis?

[Steve Hayes]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:29:38 -0500, ~consul

Post by ~consul
Besides the appendixes, do you learned folks feel that are enough
things in-between the lines to fill an on-going series?
Something set within the lands of Middle-Earth but not touching the
main characters? I always wondered if we would get some good stories
of what the other races were doing while the A-team was doing their thing.
Are there storylines worth exploring, sort of like how in Rogue One
they used the large text crawl from Episode 4 as a basis?

Fanfic?

Or something like "A bridge to Terabithia"?

[Paul S. Person]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:29:38 -0500, ~consul

Post by ~consul
Besides the appendixes, do you learned folks feel that are enough
things in-between the lines to fill an on-going series?
Something set within the lands of Middle-Earth but not touching the
main characters? I always wondered if we would get some good stories
of what the other races were doing while the A-team was doing their thing.

My understanding of it was that they were doing LOTR, which would
suggest that the series will have a beginning, a middle, and an end.
But there is a reference to other things that might include TH.

And, of course, there are always the appendices.

Post by ~consul
Are there storylines worth exploring, sort of like how in Rogue One
they used the large text crawl from Episode 4 as a basis?

I once browsed (I soon lost interest) an article on how there would be
no sequel to /Rogue One/.

They meant a sequel with the same characters which, since they all die
at the end, is indeed unlikely.

But then, as you point out, Episode IV /itself/ is the sequel.

Which makes me wonder if the people writing the aricle had ever
actually /seen/ /Rogue One/ -- as opposed to merely being seated in
the theatre while it was being projected onto the screen (which is not
the same thing).

[Sandman]

Post by Paul S. Person

Post by ~consul
Are there storylines worth exploring, sort of like how in Rogue
One they used the large text crawl from Episode 4 as a basis?

I once browsed (I soon lost interest) an article on how there would
be no sequel to /Rogue One/.
They meant a sequel with the same characters which, since they all
die at the end, is indeed unlikely.
But then, as you point out, Episode IV /itself/ is the sequel.
Which makes me wonder if the people writing the aricle had ever
actually /seen/ /Rogue One/ -- as opposed to merely being seated in
the theatre while it was being projected onto the screen (which is
not the same thing).

Because ANH has the same characters as RO, wherein all died? That doesn't
make any sense. ANH is a sequel in that in follows chronologically, but there
could have been a sequel to RO that happens after ANH, or concurrently with
it. If the characters survived RO (which, I think it's a good thing they
didn't) and we see the Battle of Yavin from their perspective, or see their
part of it. That would also be a sequel to RO.

[Paul S. Person]

Post by Sandman

Post by Paul S. Person

Post by ~consul
Are there storylines worth exploring, sort of like how in Rogue
One they used the large text crawl from Episode 4 as a basis?

I once browsed (I soon lost interest) an article on how there would
be no sequel to /Rogue One/.
They meant a sequel with the same characters which, since they all
die at the end, is indeed unlikely.
But then, as you point out, Episode IV /itself/ is the sequel.
Which makes me wonder if the people writing the aricle had ever
actually /seen/ /Rogue One/ -- as opposed to merely being seated in
the theatre while it was being projected onto the screen (which is
not the same thing).

Because ANH has the same characters as RO, wherein all died? That doesn't
make any sense. ANH is a sequel in that in follows chronologically, but there
could have been a sequel to RO that happens after ANH, or concurrently with
it. If the characters survived RO (which, I think it's a good thing they
didn't) and we see the Battle of Yavin from their perspective, or see their
part of it. That would also be a sequel to RO.

Indeed it would.

These characters are present in both (any names shown are from
memory):
Princess Leia
The entire crew of the ship she is on
The thin lady running the Rebellion
The Admiral
Darth Vader
The Emperor, at least in spirit
The sector governor who hold's Vader's leash in ANH (the /actor/
changes but the /character/ remains the same)
And (no doubt) a host of others.

There is also the minor detail that RO ends about 10 seconds before
ANH begins. OK, not /literally/ 10 seconds, but the start of ANH is
clearly the next thing that happens in the story.

And the "Rogue" call-sign is used in Episode IV and so, through the
miracle of re-using old footage, no doubt in V and VI as well. But is
"Rogue 1" used or has that been retired in honor of the dead heroes?

And if they want to do more such films, Disney is free to do so.

[Sandman]

Post by Paul S. Person

Post by Sandman
Because ANH has the same characters as RO, wherein all died? That
doesn't make any sense. ANH is a sequel in that in follows
chronologically, but there could have been a sequel to RO that
happens after ANH, or concurrently with it. If the characters
survived RO (which, I think it's a good thing they didn't) and we
see the Battle of Yavin from their perspective, or see their part
of it. That would also be a sequel to RO.

Indeed it would.
These characters are present in both (any names shown are from
Princess Leia
The entire crew of the ship she is on
The thin lady running the Rebellion

Incorrect, Mon Mothma is a character introduced first in Return of the Jedi.
She was ret-conned into Rogue One since it is assumed she is head of the
alliance council even then.

Post by Paul S. Person
The Admiral

Which one?

Post by Paul S. Person
The sector governor who hold's Vader's leash in ANH (the /actor/
changes but the /character/ remains the same)

You're talking about Governor Willhuf Tarkin who is a Grand Moff and governor
of the Outer Rim, played by Peter Cushing in A New Hope, digitally recreated
in Rogue One. A testament to how well they did it that you assumed he was
played by another actor.

Post by Paul S. Person
And the "Rogue" call-sign is used in Episode IV and so, through the
miracle of re-using old footage, no doubt in V and VI as well. But
is "Rogue 1" used or has that been retired in honor of the dead
heroes?

Rogue Squadron was formed after the Battle of Yavin, and as such is not
present in A New Hope. Rogue Squadron is led by Luke Skywalker and first
mentioned in Empire Strikes Back. Rogue One retcons this callsign into
possibly being used by Luke as a homage to the fallen heroes. Works for me.

[Paul S. Person]

Post by Sandman

Post by Paul S. Person
These characters are present in both (any names shown are from
Princess Leia
The entire crew of the ship she is on
The thin lady running the Rebellion

Incorrect, Mon Mothma is a character introduced first in Return of the Jedi.
She was ret-conned into Rogue One since it is assumed she is head of the
alliance council even then.

I stand corrected.

Post by Sandman

Post by Paul S. Person
The Admiral

Which one?

I see the problem. The one I meanst isn't in ANH but shows up later.

This is the one who, by the end of Episode VI, has twice crashed an
Imperial Star Destroyer (if I recall the class name correctly) into
something in combat.

Post by Sandman

Post by Paul S. Person
The sector governor who hold's Vader's leash in ANH (the /actor/
changes but the /character/ remains the same)

You're talking about Governor Willhuf Tarkin who is a Grand Moff and governor
of the Outer Rim, played by Peter Cushing in A New Hope, digitally recreated
in Rogue One. A testament to how well they did it that you assumed he was
played by another actor.

Actually, if they'd done it /really/ well, I would have thought it was
Peter Cushing, back from the grave.

But I agree it was done very well indeed.

Post by Sandman

Post by Paul S. Person
And the "Rogue" call-sign is used in Episode IV and so, through the
miracle of re-using old footage, no doubt in V and VI as well. But
is "Rogue 1" used or has that been retired in honor of the dead
heroes?

Rogue Squadron was formed after the Battle of Yavin, and as such is not
present in A New Hope. Rogue Squadron is led by Luke Skywalker and first
mentioned in Empire Strikes Back. Rogue One retcons this callsign into
possibly being used by Luke as a homage to the fallen heroes. Works for me.

Works for me too.

I may have missed its use in ANH. Or I may be confusing the call signs
used in Episode IV with one from Episode V. Or the version I watched
on DVD (a special feature of a two-disk set) isn't quite as original
as billed -- despite being the only version I have ever owned that
does /not/ call Episode IV "A New Hope". It is also the only one I
have ever owned that I wish did, to fit in with the others.

[Sandman]

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Post by Sandman

Post by Paul S. Person
The Admiral

Which one?

I see the problem. The one I meanst isn't in ANH but shows up later.
This is the one who, by the end of Episode VI, has twice crashed an
Imperial Star Destroyer (if I recall the class name correctly) into
something in combat.

You're thinking about Admiral "It's a trap!" Ackbar, who shot down the
Executor who crashed into the death star in Return of the Jedi. He was
neither in A New Hope nor in Rogue One. In Rogue One the Calamari fleet is
commanded by Admiral Raddus, also a Mon Calamari so there is a resemblance.

Post by Paul S. Person

Post by Sandman

Post by Paul S. Person
The sector governor who hold's Vader's leash in ANH (the /actor/
changes but the /character/ remains the same)

You're talking about Governor Willhuf Tarkin who is a Grand Moff
and governor of the Outer Rim, played by Peter Cushing in A New
Hope, digitally recreated in Rogue One. A testament to how well
they did it that you assumed he was played by another actor.

Actually, if they'd done it /really/ well, I would have thought it
was Peter Cushing, back from the grave.

Well, you thought he was played by a person, so they must have done
something right. :)

Post by Paul S. Person

Post by Sandman

Post by Paul S. Person
And the "Rogue" call-sign is used in Episode IV and so, through
the miracle of re-using old footage, no doubt in V and VI as
well. But is "Rogue 1" used or has that been retired in honor of
the dead heroes?

Rogue Squadron was formed after the Battle of Yavin, and as such
is not present in A New Hope. Rogue Squadron is led by Luke
Skywalker and first mentioned in Empire Strikes Back. Rogue One
retcons this callsign into possibly being used by Luke as a homage
to the fallen heroes. Works for me.

Works for me too.
I may have missed its use in ANH.

It is not used in ANH. In ANH, the squadrons attacking the death star are
Red, Green and Gold. There is a roll call where you hear them say "Red
leader standing by..." etc to verify.

Post by Paul S. Person
Or I may be confusing the call signs used in Episode IV with one
from Episode V.

Indeed. The scene after Han finds and saves Luke is the first time we see
Rogue Squadron, out searching for them in Snow Speeders on Hoth.

[JimboCat]

Post by ~consul
Besides the appendixes, do you learned folks feel that are enough
things in-between the lines to fill an on-going series?

I doubt they will use much that actually exists between the lines: instead, they'll just make stuff up, with invented characters, plots, etc out of whole cloth.

Post by ~consul

If they did not get rights to The Silmarillion and they may not
have LotR rights what did they pay 250 million for?

The use of the Tolkein and LotR names. Which is all they really
want anyway.
"Based on the title of a popular novel we haven't even read the
Wikipedia plot summary of." [Terry Austin ]

JimboCat

[Louis Epstein]

Post by ~consul
Besides the appendixes, do you learned folks feel that are enough
things in-between the lines to fill an on-going series?
Something set within the lands of Middle-Earth but not touching the
main characters? I always wondered if we would get some good stories
of what the other races were doing while the A-team was doing their thing.
Are there storylines worth exploring, sort of like how in Rogue One
they used the large text crawl from Episode 4 as a basis?

A reading of rights to TLotR would probably include material
from Appendices A and B,which cover thousands of years,
without going into anything that Tolkien made no mention of
at all.

I would hope they'd restrain their inventions to stick
within what we've been told.

But the less they do,the better....

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