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Slashdot on what was wrong with the Hobbit movies
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Steve Morrison
2015-11-22 01:47:59 UTC
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Apparently the change of directors in the middle of the project
did a lot of damage. (The linked article contains numerous links
of its own.)
Paul S. Person
2015-11-22 17:49:53 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 01:47:59 -0000 (UTC), Steve Morrison
Post by Steve Morrison
http://preview.tinyurl.com/o76nt6q
Apparently the change of directors in the middle of the project
did a lot of damage. (The linked article contains numerous links
of its own.)
That was /very/ interesting. Especially the comments, even though I
only skimmed the more prominent ones.

Still, one thing is clear: PJ himself takes full responsibility for
the Hobbit films. No "and accomplices" about it: this trilogy is
entirely PJ's mess.

BTW, apparently all three Hobbit movies are now out in extended
editions. For those who want even more -- of what, I can't say.
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her own terms through
the experience of our senses."
Sandman
2015-11-23 08:07:41 UTC
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Paul S. Person
2015-11-23 17:40:02 UTC
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Post by Paul S. Person
Post by Steve Morrison
http://preview.tinyurl.com/o76nt6q
Apparently the change of directors in the middle of the project
did a lot of damage. (The linked article contains numerous links
of its own.)
That was /very/ interesting. Especially the comments, even though I
only skimmed the more prominent ones.
Still, one thing is clear: PJ himself takes full responsibility for
the Hobbit films. No "and accomplices" about it: this trilogy is
entirely PJ's mess.
I guess you didn't read. He did his best from what was already a mess, due to
other people. He takes responsibility for the finished product, of course, but he
also notes how the LotR trilogy was planned, by him and his staff, for a LONG
time before they started shooting, the Hobbit movies - not so much.
I did read it.

It is, indeed, his story that he did his best after Benicio del Toro
bailed, and he may well be correct.

And the finished product is what I am always thinking of when I attack
his films. Does your "of course" mean that you agree that PJ is
responsible for the finished form of both the /LOTR/ and the /Hobbit/
films? And that all blame accrues to him and cannot be pushed off on
"accomplices"?

No need to answer, I'm sure it doesn't.
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"Nature must be explained in
her own terms through
the experience of our senses."
Paul S. Person
2015-11-23 18:18:53 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 09:40:02 -0800, Paul S. Person
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Post by Paul S. Person
Post by Steve Morrison
http://preview.tinyurl.com/o76nt6q
Apparently the change of directors in the middle of the project
did a lot of damage. (The linked article contains numerous links
of its own.)
That was /very/ interesting. Especially the comments, even though I
only skimmed the more prominent ones.
Still, one thing is clear: PJ himself takes full responsibility for
the Hobbit films. No "and accomplices" about it: this trilogy is
entirely PJ's mess.
I guess you didn't read. He did his best from what was already a mess, due to
other people. He takes responsibility for the finished product, of course, but he
also notes how the LotR trilogy was planned, by him and his staff, for a LONG
time before they started shooting, the Hobbit movies - not so much.
I did read it.
It is, indeed, his story that he did his best after Benicio del Toro
bailed, and he may well be correct.
NOTE: "Benicio" was from memory. The article just says "del Toro", but
following a link shows that it was, in fact, Guillermo. My apologies
for any confusion.
Post by Paul S. Person
And the finished product is what I am always thinking of when I attack
his films. Does your "of course" mean that you agree that PJ is
responsible for the finished form of both the /LOTR/ and the /Hobbit/
films? And that all blame accrues to him and cannot be pushed off on
"accomplices"?
No need to answer, I'm sure it doesn't.
--
"Nature must be explained in
her own terms through
the experience of our senses."
Sandman
2015-11-23 19:55:57 UTC
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Post by Paul S. Person
I did read it.
It is, indeed, his story that he did his best after Benicio del Toro
bailed, and he may well be correct.
And the finished product is what I am always thinking of when I
attack his films. Does your "of course" mean that you agree that PJ
is responsible for the finished form of both the /LOTR/ and the
/Hobbit/ films? And that all blame accrues to him and cannot be
pushed off on "accomplices"?
accomplice
noun
a person who helps another commit a crime.

Your narrow mind rears its head again.

There are no accomplices since no crime has been committed. You may dislike the
movies to your hearts content, but using this kind of schoolyard name calling
isn't really helping your credibility in a serious discussion about them.

Making a movie isn't the product of one person. You have screenplay writers,
producers, actors and a thousand other persons that contribute to the end result.

There are thousands of movies made that aren't the vision of their directors
(hence the multitude of "Director's cut" out there). It's safe to say that the
Hobbit movies would be quite different had they been given the same type of
attention from the start by the same people.

Whether or not you would have liked *that* version more or less is pure
speculation, of course.

In fact, a lot of film productions that change directors during production turn
out to be real messes. Some example are A.I. that was directed by Kubrick and
then Spielberg when he died. Another is Exorcist: The Beginning and The Island Of
Dr Moreau and last but not least, the Walking Dead TV-series. There are, of
course, productions that have survived such a change as well.

But mostly the problems arise from the producers, where the director is severely
limited in applying his vision due to restrictions, edits, cuts, alterations
prompted by the producers. Famous movies are Terry Gilliam's Brazil, but you have
X-Men Origins: Wolverine, The Golden Compass, The Hunger Games and Spider-Man 3.

So, while the director takes the blame, and is forced (mostly) to own up to the
end result, the end result is always, always has, and always will be, the result
of a myriad of decision-takers in the process.
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Sandman
Paul S. Person
2015-11-24 18:08:39 UTC
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As I said, there was no point in responding, since your answer to my
question was the entirely-expected "no".
--
"Nature must be explained in
her own terms through
the experience of our senses."
Sandman
2015-11-24 18:34:17 UTC
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Post by Paul S. Person
As I said, there was no point in responding, since your answer to my
question was the entirely-expected "no".
Too many big words, huh? Well, I'll go easier on you next time.
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Sandman
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